The following interview with, Yuri Alexandrovich Bezmenov, was conducted in 1985, a trained KGB agent that received asylum in Canada.
Host: Yuri Alexandrovich Bezmenov was born in 1939 in the suburb of Moscow. He was the son of a high-ranking Soviet army officer. He certainly is one of the world’s outstanding experts on the subject of Soviet propaganda and disinformation and active measures.
Yuri Alexandrovich Bezmenov: It’s a great brainwashing process which goes very slowly. It is divided into 4 basic stages. The first one being demoralization. It takes from 15 to 20 years to demoralize a nation. Why that many years? Because this is the minimum number of years which requires to educate one generation of students in the country of your enemy… The demoralization process in the United States is basically completed already. For the last 25 years, actually, it’s over fulfilled. Because demoralization now reaches such areas, where previously, not even Comrade Andropov and all his experts would even dream of such a tremendous success. Most of it is done by Americans to Americans thanks to lack of moral standards. As I mentioned before, exposure to true information does not matter anymore. A person who was demoralized is unable to assess true information. Facts tell nothing to him. Even if I shower him with information, authentic proof, with documents, with pictures, even if I take him by force to the Soviet Union and show him a concentration camp, he will refuse to believe it. The next stage is destabilization. This time the subverter does not care about your ideas and the patterns of your consumption, whether you eat junk food and get fat and flabby, it does not matter anymore. This time — and it takes only from 2 to 5 years to destabilize a nation — what matters is essentials: economy, foreign relations, defense system. And you can see it quite clearly in some areas, such sensitive areas as defense and economy. The influence of Marxist Leninist ideas in the United States is absolutely fantastic. I could never believe it 14 years ago when I landed in this part of the world that the process would go that fast.