Toronto Imam: Labels Hadith about Vomiting a Black Puppy Irrational

Senior Imam & scholar Shabbir Ally is interviewed concerning Hadith that reference demon possession & other phenomena. Below is a transcript of a portion of the interview uploaded to the YouTube channel Let the Quran Speak on March 2, 2017 titled Problematic Hadith: Jinn Possession | Dr. Shabir Ally

Interviewer

And what is gin possession

Shabbir Ally

Well that’s the idea that these jinnn some of them being evil creatures who will take possession of the human body, so it’s the ginn mind that controls the body and the human mind is somehow left on the back burner. It is the job of The Exorcist to then remove that gin or evil spirit so that this human mind comes to take possession of his or her own body.

Interviewer

So what are some of the very few stories concerning possession?

Shabbir Ally

Let me share one of the Hadith so we get an idea. This is a Hadith collected from Ibn Abbas. A woman came with a son of hers and said, “O! messenger of Allah this son of mine is insane. He is seized by fits  every morning and ruins our lives.” Allah’s messenger wiped him and prayed for him the boy then vomited and a black puppy came out of his mouth and ran away. Reading, this obviously is in the realm of legendary materials. For a sane Muslim scholar to collect this and be putting it in his book it means that this scholar obviously subscribes to a mindset which is not ours.

Interviewer

So how would you argue with things that others say? Some will say very rational such as the gin or gin possession because we don’t see it so someone else it might seem irrational

Well, I take it even further and not only say that this Hadith, but the whole idea that Jinn possess is in fact irrational.

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